[siisi]

I'm currently playing FM 2010 managing chelsea. I have restarted the game multiple time because i thought the issue i have with not scoring against weaker teams (and sometimes similar reputation teams where i may or may not be favorite...)was as a result of a bug. After about 3 to 4 consecutive wins the issue starts where i can't score against weaker teams i create several chances, those i would ordinarily score. i miss chances from point blank range sometimes hitting the bar when the keeper and no other players are in site. even when i'm eventually able to score i might be a defender who scores or an own goal resulting from mounting constant pressure or a penalty.It happens even when the motivation widget reports most player playing with confidence or motivated. I've upgraded to version 10.3 but i still have the issue at first i let my manager take charge of my friendly matches but not in my current season
where
i have transfered in G. Rossi and Dzeko both excellent strikers in my opinion. i've won 3 friendlies alreay my 4th friendly with leeds was a disaster created over 10 clear cut chances squandered all.i would understand if drogba (who i find it almost impossible to manage almost nothing i say has effect...at least that is what my assistant (ray wilkins) reports in my team talk feedback) is complacent and does not take his chances but rossi who i just signed in i would find it difficult to believe he would be complacent after just 3 matches

In all the new careers I've started after about 10 games i get a backroom analysis report about my team having the tendency to become complacency against weaker teams. I have tried to use the media attending press conferences. In a previous campaign i met Liverpool in the league cup i had the same issue...and when this is happening my assistant manager always reports in the feedback section that "our finishing is letting us down" though we've had a bulk of the possession or keeping the ball and passing well . I even happens when I'm favored personnel of a significant number of players in the team

i need help resolving the issue i don't know if the issue is a result of my man management that is team talks or
training schedules ...because usually each player in my team has superb morale and my coaches report no issues saying players happy with training schedules.
I use TUGs schedule. i got paul MCguiness (Ball control) and Brian MCclair (Shooting) from Man U i also got franco Baladini (tatics).
Thank You

[cagiva]

From what I've read here it seemsthe problem is in your players psyhics, thus their confidence is suffering.

Such as problem could be occur due to lack of right morale or lack of form. Players personalities are having huge impact here. The more stable personal will tend to be more cool-headed in such situations, and even after one or two misses will keep his confidence and motivation high; the more labile personal will tend to suffer of lack of confidence and motivation after one or two poor passes/shoots and etc things, thus his level of play will drop during the match.

So, you as manager, should manage all such as details, knowing best of all your current players.

You could be sure of one things - such as things are not bug. Definetely.

[siisi]

cagiva, on 06 January 2011 - 04:58 PM, said:

From what I've read here it seemsthe problem is in your players psyhics, thus their confidence is suffering.

Such as problem could be occur due to lack of right morale or lack of form. Players personalities are having huge impact here. The more stable personal will tend to be more cool-headed in such situations, and even after one or two misses will keep his confidence and motivation high; the more labile personal will tend to suffer of lack of confidence and motivation after one or two poor passes/shoots and etc things, thus his level of play will drop during the match.

So, you as manager, should manage all such as details, knowing best of all your current players.

You could be sure of one things - such as things are not bug. Definetely.

Thank you very much for your response. The confidence of my players seem to be high ...my assistant manager sometimes reports some players appearing over-confident during training ....so i doubt the issue really
has to do with confidence...if anything at all over confidence. this happens with all my players even ruud van nistelroy

[etcetera]

Looks like a common problem I have quite a bit also.

With a team like Chelsea you want to play the 'bad cop' and just sledge the hell out of them for a poor performance. You should have some idea of your chances going into a match eg against Manchester United at Old Trafford you might be happy with a draw but at home to Wolves you've definitely got the right to go ballistic if you draw (This means YOU Ancelotti!! )

my advice to you is check the assistant pre-match advice and check if your team or any players are showing signs of complancecy. If he says there are complacent players then use the 'i expect a win' team talk. At half time encourage if 1 goal up or it's a draw - even disappointing if appropriate.

Generally there won't be complacency against the top teams but when you've got 4-5 games against relegation candidates you've REALLY got to tell the players to get off their behind and score 4-5 goals per game.

This guy here's got a indepth team talk guide i think you should take a look at. He give a good outline on which team talks to use under which circumstances. They're not hard and fast rules you should learn off by heart but just a very general overview will be helpful.

http://www.fm-base.c...ide-t29092.html

Add proper squad rotation to play the in form players and you should to start seeing results.

Hope it helps

This post has been edited by etcetera: 07 January 2011 - 10:15 PM

[cagiva]

Again some quick note.

Linking with some article, without it's explanation is not wellcomed here. There is no problem to give some link, but be polite enough to contribute more than some linking to it.

Explain it, roughly of course, what's all about; what is the key things in it and etc.

[etcetera]

cagiva, on 07 January 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

Again some quick note.

Linking with some article, without it's explanation is not wellcomed here. There is no problem to give some link, but be polite enough to contribute more than some linking to it.

Explain it, roughly of course, what's all about; what is the key things in it and etc.

Sorry boss, post editted

[siisi]

etcetera, on 07 January 2011 - 12:08 PM, said:

Looks like a common problem I have quite a bit also.

With a team like Chelsea you want to play the 'bad cop' and just sledge the hell out of them for a poor performance. You should have some idea of your chances going into a match eg against Manchester United at Old Trafford you might be happy with a draw but at home to Wolves you've definitely got the right to go ballistic if you draw (This means YOU Ancelotti!! )

my advice to you is check the assistant pre-match advice and check if your team or any players are showing signs of complancecy. If he says there are complacent players then use the 'i expect a win' team talk. At half time encourage if 1 goal up or it's a draw - even disappointing if appropriate.

Generally there won't be complacency against the top teams but when you've got 4-5 games against relegation candidates you've REALLY got to tell the players to get off their behind and score 4-5 goals per game.

This guy here's got a indepth team talk guide i think you should take a look at. He give a good outline on which team talks to use under which circumstances. They're not hard and fast rules you should learn off by heart but just a very general overview will be helpful.

http://www.fm-base.c...ide-t29092.html

Add proper squad rotation to play the in form players and you should to start seeing results.

Hope it helps

Thank you for your reply i've read wolfsongs team talk guide i even saved the page and have tried applying it
but almost no results. Drogba men i really can't understand the guy in this game anyway i did an experiment today
i saved my game just before team selection against FC kobenhaven it was a champions league fixture. I say everything to the players; expect a performance or expect to win or pick to those with the option available vary team talks on each retry to see if there's an effect
basically trying to follow wolfsongs's guide i've replayed the game at least 6 times it was deplorable kept wasting clear cut opportunities i don't know if the engine is setup in that way anytime i meet a weaker team my shooting is off despite telling the team i expect a win when at home it gets even worse if i say i believe in yr ability lampard at 7.5 right at half time after telling i have faith takes shoots from anywhere he pleases
despite the fact that i play on disciplined philosophy allowing little creative freedom and lowering long shots
frequency. your reply is still quite useful though. i just wish i could upload my saved game. my tactics seem to work well it's so unrealistic the rate at which very prolific strikers miss all of them have me as a favored personnel so i'd presume they'd follow my instructions

[Zinedine Zaiddin]

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With a team like Chelsea you want to play the 'bad cop' and just sledge the hell out of them for a poor performance. You should have some idea of your chances going into a match eg against Manchester United at Old Trafford you might be happy with a draw but at home to Wolves you've definitely got the right to go ballistic if you draw (This means YOU Ancelotti!! )

I do agree with etcetera, about this point. Because I'm having the same problem with you too. My style is to get at least one goal lead before half-time. If there is no goal scored from my side, plus my assistant reporting "our finishing letting us down", they will face my wrath in the restroom.

Team talk also playing important role. From my experience, if my assistant reporting there is players (regardless some or majority) are become cocky or too confident, I will tell them that I'm expecting a win. And go to specific players that become too cocky or too confident, tell him that you expecting a performance. If they didn't perform well until half-time, unleash your wrath or tell your disappointment about their performance. This is working well most of time for me.

If your striker or player continuously become complacent or didn't score even an easy chances, just drop them from your first team, go to private chat and have some conversation there. Tell them about their bad performance, or if necessarily, tell them they will be placed in reserved until their performance changed.

That's from my own experience, and some reading as well. Hope its working for you.


EDITED: Maybe you should upload your save game here.

[etcetera]

Yeah mate if you upload your save and tactics here or on a file sharing site i'm happy to have a play with it.

[ezamudin]

If they are cocky, you are not helping them by being cocky as well.. tell them they could win, but single out the main guy that the ass man point out as being cocky that you expected a performance. At half time, comment appropriately on those players you single out, and also, any poor performances by any player should be singled out as well.. then give out appropriate team talk.

post match, do the same, you probably dont see the effect straight away, but after a few match, they should be in rythm with you again. Dont forget to see the effect on each player for each team talk.

Also, be consistent with your talk and action .. if you are mad at player, drop him off the 1st 18 if you can afford the decision, or at least to the bench, if you do have to play him next game, say that you have faith in him.. then be sure to single him out after match to tell him what you think of his performance for that game.

I think being consistent helps your players settled. I played Arsenal with no player brought in yet, I'm still in 1st season (I'm a slow player lol), and while I do have a first XI, they are replaceable if they are poor.. I once played Lansbury, Denilson and Jack (and they win) after dropping Fab, Nasri and Song for losing to Spartak in CL match, at the Grooves (my only lost so far for the season). The latter trio did regain their 1st XI place again, and they never ever slack up after that drop...

So my advice, be consistent in your teamtalk, single out culprit, but be supportive on out of form players. They will repay your kindness and also respect your authority. Its not something you can solves in 1 game straight. Throwing out a wrench to your opponent works too sometimes for problem up top, aka change your players roles so they play differently a bit to catch opponent offguard.

[siisi]

ezamudin, on 15 January 2011 - 11:38 AM, said:

If they are cocky, you are not helping them by being cocky as well.. tell them they could win, but single out the main guy that the ass man point out as being cocky that you expected a performance. At half time, comment appropriately on those players you single out, and also, any poor performances by any player should be singled out as well.. then give out appropriate team talk.

post match, do the same, you probably dont see the effect straight away, but after a few match, they should be in rythm with you again. Dont forget to see the effect on each player for each team talk.

Also, be consistent with your talk and action .. if you are mad at player, drop him off the 1st 18 if you can afford the decision, or at least to the bench, if you do have to play him next game, say that you have faith in him.. then be sure to single him out after match to tell him what you think of his performance for that game.

I think being consistent helps your players settled. I played Arsenal with no player brought in yet, I'm still in 1st season (I'm a slow player lol), and while I do have a first XI, they are replaceable if they are poor.. I once played Lansbury, Denilson and Jack (and they win) after dropping Fab, Nasri and Song for losing to Spartak in CL match, at the Grooves (my only lost so far for the season). The latter trio did regain their 1st XI place again, and they never ever slack up after that drop...

So my advice, be consistent in your teamtalk, single out culprit, but be supportive on out of form players. They will repay your kindness and also respect your authority. Its not something you can solves in 1 game straight. Throwing out a wrench to your opponent works too sometimes for problem up top, aka change your players roles so they play differently a bit to catch opponent offguard.

I'm still having the same problem wolfsongs team talk doesn't seem to work for me it must be something in my approach i'm currently playing FM 2011 with the latest patch 11.3 i think it is. so i definitely know it's not a bug. My players squander many easy chances the shoot from range 45 50 yards ... i know it must be related to the fact that my assistant manger reports that we tend to get complacent against teams with lower reputation...i tell them not to get complacent 2nd half especially when they are leading by a single goal ...it looks like there isn't much of an effect..
torres doesn't respond to any of my team talks when i say disappointing he plays worse when he actually is disappointing. he will move from 6.4 at half time to below 5.0 when i say disappointing...i don't know how to get around this bug i'll upload one of my saved games and post a link to see if anyone can identify the source of the problem even knew players are reported to appear over-confident during training..and play a badly as my regular players on debut

[siisi]

etcetera, on 12 January 2011 - 07:36 AM, said:

Yeah mate if you upload your save and tactics here or on a file sharing site i'm happy to have a play with it.

ok so this is my game: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=STCKS35L if you'll can pls try playing and see what is wrong
thanks

[Gus_Iceman]

Hey,

I have just skimmed the forum, and my question sort of follows on but my team scenario is slightly different, rather being a top 4 side I am a newly promoted team MK Dons (League 1, championship then Premier league). I have done this in 3yrs so naturally there is still some league 1 players in squad so not sure if the is a contributing issue (probably small)

What I am finding in the premier league (noticed in championship to lesser degree and was able to stem the problem), is that my team cannot shot (low number of shots) when my possession hovers around 40-60% over the range of games I have played and like wise the passess complete range from 60-80%. Also from purely looking at the stats the opposition all has around twice as many shot as I do, I am not to concerned with the long shots, but the ratio shots on target b/w myself and the opposition is a concern.

As far as my current tactic are I like to play a 4132 type system and as an attempt to try and fix these issues I mostly play on the counter, with a compact, moderately deep and short passing style. I also have a rigid philosophy with little roaming or freedom using zonal marking and stand off tactic.

I also find that when I read the match engine, my team are sloppy the passes (so many more could and should) make there targets, I find that the team does not close the opposition down often enough (even when Press more is chosen) and the shots we do get, we just cannot take them when I suspect we should be able to sink them with ease. I also find that even when my defense is deep I get caught out generating CCC for the AI.

I have tried to ammend issues via the tactical creator and touchline shouts, but ultimately I have to try an rectify the problem at the source.

I think this issue is, I'm having difficulty trying to translate the problems I am observing into solution within the tactical interface , because as u know its not like u cannot simply talk to them as u would in reality.

Any help any one can offer would be much appreciated Thanks heaps. A further questions or detail just shoot.

Regards

[jontydale]

Unfortunately I have been suffering from this problem for a long time and I am starting to feel very frustrated with the game now. It's not just the amount of missed chances, but often the way they are missed as well which is frustrating. I know that the CCC is often cited as a dubious stat, and kind of agree, but I know from watching the matches how profligate the finishing of my strikers is.

I've read many theories as to why it happens, many of which are quite speculative, but by no means unreasonable. In response to the idea that my players are rubbish, I've bought in players who are better, and with higher mental stats, which the lack of is often accredited to players being poor in front of goal. I've tried lowering the tempo and or creative freedom. I've tried all sorts of tactical tweaks and combinations all of which are to no avail. If it is down to mentality, then downloading and using that excellently researched and well written team talk guide has done nothing for me.

Some have put forward the idea it's a bug, but so many people are adamant that it isn't that I am inclined to believe them. The players I have brought in all scored at their previous clubs, it's only when I have them that they stop scoring. Team bonding/understanding and morale is high, so I am left to assume it is something tactical. But what it is I can't say.

I have always created my own tactics (never used downloaded ones) even though I know I am no tactical genius, yet I have always done alright. On FM11, with River Plate, I've created several 4-4-2 tactics that work very well with my team, and I dominate most matches, even against the better teams. Yet, I can hardly score, except from corners, and my forwards take so many chances and miss in the most frustrating ways. I've always loved playing the FM games, but whether this is 'a bug' or deliberate design, I just feel the game does not reward me anymore and the frustration of this issue means that I have stopped enjoying playing it.