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Due to some issues with the way the FM-Britain site has recently been/will be administered, the future of the LLM section of the site is currently under discussion and has therefore been temporarily removed.
I apologise for any inconvenience and will keep you updated should there be any change in the situation.
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\nWhat Happened to the LLaMa Forum?
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 04:12 PM
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 05:59 PM
Crazy thing to do ....
It makes you wonder dosnt it.
1. Crazy people wouldnt allow FMB to sell ebooks
2. FMB gang dosnt want to spend the time anymore
3. It all falls apart
Makes you wonder, was it for the money, cause if it was for missing hands, just ask arround....
Just dont get it, i most be missing an important piece in the puzzle, plz tell.
It makes you wonder dosnt it.
1. Crazy people wouldnt allow FMB to sell ebooks
2. FMB gang dosnt want to spend the time anymore
3. It all falls apart
Makes you wonder, was it for the money, cause if it was for missing hands, just ask arround....
Just dont get it, i most be missing an important piece in the puzzle, plz tell.
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 06:28 PM
Perhaps the issue might be that, because some of us were never in this for the money (and never took any), that we don't want to be associated with those that are...
It's called the "tarred with the same brush" effect - evidenced by your very post - and I, for one, don't like it.
It's called the "tarred with the same brush" effect - evidenced by your very post - and I, for one, don't like it.
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 07:04 PM
I do know, i should have thrown a couple of 
somewhere.
The post i made is just because i was disappointed, cause FMB is one off my favorite sites.
Theres no doubt that i appreciate the great work theres been done over the years here at FMB and especially at the LLama forum.
Theres no doubt either that i think it was wrong to sell an ebook and why is that, cause the
book is only someones thoughts, it not an manual, its not conclusive only thoughts, and who will pay for thoughts ?
not me
the people who wants to pay for thoughts, stop reading now, send me �5, and I'll send you my thoughts
Before i became an LLaMa, i read all that was posted by the clever people here at FMB, many off there thoughts
might be right, but just as many proved to be wrong, being a LLaMa is a real eyeopener to the game.
Still i cant say much about it, cause i don't tip ....
somewhere.The post i made is just because i was disappointed, cause FMB is one off my favorite sites.
Theres no doubt that i appreciate the great work theres been done over the years here at FMB
and especially at the LLama forum.Theres no doubt either that i think it was wrong to sell an ebook and why is that, cause the
book is only someones thoughts, it not an manual, its not conclusive only thoughts, and who will pay for thoughts ?
not me
the people who wants to pay for thoughts, stop reading now, send me �5, and I'll send you my thoughts Before i became an LLaMa, i read all that was posted by the clever people here at FMB, many off there thoughts
might be right, but just as many proved to be wrong, being a LLaMa is a real eyeopener to the game.
Still i cant say much about it, cause i don't tip ....
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 07:45 PM
Keith do we have any idea what "temporarily" is? A lot of us come here for that 1 area and if its gone then the users will be to.
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 08:58 PM
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Keith do we have any idea what "temporarily" is? A lot of us come here for that 1 area and if its gone then the users will be to.
Agreed - Keith, I think this needs to be sorted soon or we could start losing people.
I mean, I'm not going anywhere and I'm sure there are a few others who feel like that, but I bet there are a good few who could drift away.
If a decision is made to find a new home then fine, but while we have no other home then shouldn't we keep the section going?
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 09:18 PM
I honestly don't know at this stage Paul.
This isn't a knee-jerk reaction to any one thing (although it was something specific which spurred it now) - it's been on the cards for a while. As I intimate above, continuing an association with people who are doing this for the money has put me in an uncomfortable position personally, and while those people continue to represent themselves as some kind of "managing director" of the site, or "primary" over the rest of us who may not share their goals and reasons for doing this, then it only makes the situation more and more indefensible and untenable from my point of view.
One of the major problems though, beyond any one incident, perhaps not immediately evident, but important nonetheless, is that some of the decisions around the selling of the guide and during some of the fallout since have shattered the bonds that made the site's staff team so strong in the past. There has always been an unspoken acknowledgement that each member of the staff team is part of a "team of equals" each respected for what they brought to the site and any decisions taken would be mindful of that. However, some of the actions and statements made on behalf of the whole site over that time did not display this mutual respect in my opinion (not just towards me) and it has further become clear to me over recent weeks that this "lesson" has not altogether been understood or assimilated fully - or simply ignored if it has.
When a bond of unspoken and implicit trust is broken it's very, very hard to repair - and while I'm sure every member of the staff team want the best for the site, I'm no longer certain our goals are shared or our aims compatible.
That is unfortunate, and I could try to paint you a prettier picture, but I don't want to put a false spin on things.
I won't name individuals or go into details, nor do I want to imply that anyone has done anything "wrong" as such. It's just that sometimes people want different things and it can create friction when not everyone wants the same things or sees things the same way. That, in a nutshell, is the core of the problem, I think. Whether it can be resolved, I genuinely don't know at this point.
This isn't a knee-jerk reaction to any one thing (although it was something specific which spurred it now) - it's been on the cards for a while. As I intimate above, continuing an association with people who are doing this for the money has put me in an uncomfortable position personally, and while those people continue to represent themselves as some kind of "managing director" of the site, or "primary" over the rest of us who may not share their goals and reasons for doing this, then it only makes the situation more and more indefensible and untenable from my point of view.
One of the major problems though, beyond any one incident, perhaps not immediately evident, but important nonetheless, is that some of the decisions around the selling of the guide and during some of the fallout since have shattered the bonds that made the site's staff team so strong in the past. There has always been an unspoken acknowledgement that each member of the staff team is part of a "team of equals" each respected for what they brought to the site and any decisions taken would be mindful of that. However, some of the actions and statements made on behalf of the whole site over that time did not display this mutual respect in my opinion (not just towards me) and it has further become clear to me over recent weeks that this "lesson" has not altogether been understood or assimilated fully - or simply ignored if it has.
When a bond of unspoken and implicit trust is broken it's very, very hard to repair - and while I'm sure every member of the staff team want the best for the site, I'm no longer certain our goals are shared or our aims compatible.
That is unfortunate, and I could try to paint you a prettier picture, but I don't want to put a false spin on things.
I won't name individuals or go into details, nor do I want to imply that anyone has done anything "wrong" as such. It's just that sometimes people want different things and it can create friction when not everyone wants the same things or sees things the same way. That, in a nutshell, is the core of the problem, I think. Whether it can be resolved, I genuinely don't know at this point.
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Posted 15 November 2010 - 10:20 PM
It can always be resolved from my end, fella.
Door's always open.
Door's always open.
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 08:52 AM
Well, this is a whole heap of fun, isn't it?
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 09:52 AM
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Well, this is a whole heap of fun, isn't it?
Uriah?
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 09:55 AM
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Uriah?
Rennie?
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 09:57 AM
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Well, this is a whole heap of fun, isn't it?
Uriah?
Rennie?
Acid reflux? This day gets worse...
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 09:58 AM
That was my first association also.
In fact - he was very good ref, anybody knows something about him - what he is doing in the moment and etc?
Little bit offtopic, so excuse me.
In fact - he was very good ref, anybody knows something about him - what he is doing in the moment and etc?
Little bit offtopic, so excuse me.
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 10:32 AM
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That was my first association also.
In fact - he was very good ref, anybody knows something about him - what he is doing in the moment and etc?
Little bit offtopic, so excuse me.
In fact - he was very good ref, anybody knows something about him - what he is doing in the moment and etc?
Little bit offtopic, so excuse me.
He had to retire as he reached the ripe ol' age of 48 years old.
I believe he is a magistrate 'by trade', so maybe he still does that?
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 11:06 AM
Poor bloke, I think he has the misfortune of being a Sheffield Wednesday fan too, I remember being at a match and the ref had to go off so they put out a tannoy(sp?) announcement for any refs in the crowd and he came forward to act as 4th official.
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 01:28 PM
Uriah Rennie was a horribly biased match official. Awful, awful ref.
IMO obv.
Clattenburg may be poor in his decision making and communication but I'd rather have him than Rennie any day.
IMO obv.
Clattenburg may be poor in his decision making and communication but I'd rather have him than Rennie any day.
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 02:03 PM
I hope you're happy. I've just had to re-register at The Hut. Me! I'm a dangerous anarchist compared to those people!
I just know that after an afternoon there, I'll end up sloshed on cheap whisky at 4am, chain smoking and managing River fucking Plate.
I just know that after an afternoon there, I'll end up sloshed on cheap whisky at 4am, chain smoking and managing River fucking Plate.
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 02:05 PM
Personally, it wouldn't be the same if it wasn't at FM-B. I have a hard enough time as it it juggling this place with The Hut, remembering who's who on which one without having to add a third joint to the mix
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 02:37 PM
Update: Unfortunately, it looks like we'll be unable to resolve our differences internally and therefore it seems the only option left is for us to move.
Although we've had offers to be hosted on various other community sites, I've taken into account your comments in the Pen thread and talked it over with JP and in the end we've decided to set up our own independent site - mainly because it gives us a much greater degree of control over our own destiny kinda thing.
I've obtained a new domain and hosting, so it's just a case now of transferring over the forum to a new board on the new domain. I'll look at what's needed to do that today.
Stay tuned.
Although we've had offers to be hosted on various other community sites, I've taken into account your comments in the Pen thread and talked it over with JP and in the end we've decided to set up our own independent site - mainly because it gives us a much greater degree of control over our own destiny kinda thing.
I've obtained a new domain and hosting, so it's just a case now of transferring over the forum to a new board on the new domain. I'll look at what's needed to do that today.
Stay tuned.
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Posted 16 November 2010 - 02:55 PM
River. Fucking. Plate.
