[HUNT3R]

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Update: Unfortunately, it looks like we'll be unable to resolve our differences internally and therefore it seems the only option left is for us to move.

Although we've had offers to be hosted on various other community sites, I've taken into account your comments in the Pen thread and talked it over with JP and in the end we've decided to set up our own independent site - mainly because it gives us a much greater degree of control over our own destiny kinda thing.

I've obtained a new domain and hosting, so it's just a case now of transferring over the forum to a new board on the new domain. I'll look at what's needed to do that today.

Stay tuned.

Pity things turned out the way it did, but I understand. Thanks for keeping us up to date Keith.

[JP]

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I hope you're happy. I've just had to re-register at The Hut.

Where there's blame, there's a claim. I'd sue if I was you

[Psycorp603]

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I hope you're happy. I've just had to re-register at The Hut.

Where there's blame, there's a claim. I'd sue if I was you

Might not be a claim. Iajafer might recognise my username...

[dblooder]

Fm-B without LLM section is just not. It will not be.
Deffinetlly gonna be missed you guys.
I can not find the right words at this time, I mean where the bloody fuck is this whole situation going?
What's next? Paying money for participating in a bloody quiz thread?

Edit: Actually paying money for participating in a bloody quiz thread seems logical right?

[Daedalus]

It's a shame it had to go this far, but as you say - it wasn't a snap decision. I'm definitely behind a move to 'our own' forum, but I am concerned that I'd have no reason to come back to FM-B.

[keefa]

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What's next? Paying money for participating in a bloody quiz thread?

Edit: Actually paying money for participating in a bloody quiz thread seems logical right?

Don't give THotw ideas! 

[dblooder]

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It's a shame it had to go this far, but as you say - it wasn't a snap decision. I'm definitely behind a move to 'our own' forum, but I am concerned that I'd have no reason to come back to FM-B.

That is my primary fear to. If all Llamas would do this then, for me, who would stay behind to post with since most of my crossposts are exchanged with the Llamas.

If all you left and stopped posting in the Games room/ Members lounge I would only, since I do not visit the tipping parts of the forum and do not discuss taqctics and players, have the Whore to play quiz with and Cagiva to excahange inter Balcan glorification.

[HUNT3R]

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I'm definitely behind a move to 'our own' forum, but I am concerned that I'd have no reason to come back to FM-B.

I had the same thoughts earlier. The llama section was the part of FMB that kept me hanging around. That and the Benitez bashing banter.

B.e.n.i.t.e.z. is a swear word these days?! I have missed a lot!

[juvehero]

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That is my primary fear to. If all Llamas would do this then, for me, who would stay behind to post with since most of my crossposts are exchanged with the Llamas.

If all you left and stopped posting in the Games room/ Members lounge I would only, since I do not visit the tipping parts of the forum and do not discuss taqctics and players, have the Whore to play quiz with and Cagiva to excahange inter Balcan glorification.

I'm in the same boat, quizzing with the Balkan Doobie Brother and talking Liverpool with cagiva could get a little dull after a while.

[goldenrain]

LLM is the only reason for me to join FM-B

I'm from FM-V

[Gaz]

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Fm-B without LLM section is just not. It will not be.
Deffinetlly gonna be missed you guys.
I can not find the right words at this time, I mean where the bloody fuck is this whole situation going?
What's next? Paying money for participating in a bloody quiz thread?

Edit: Actually paying money for participating in a bloody quiz thread seems logical right?

Since when have the forums, or pretty much anything on the site been anything but free? We sold one guide. Everything else always has, and always will be free on this site.

[kin_lin]

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It's a shame it had to go this far, but as you say - it wasn't a snap decision. I'm definitely behind a move to 'our own' forum, but I am concerned that I'd have no reason to come back to FM-B.

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That is my primary fear to. If all Llamas would do this then, for me, who would stay behind to post with since most of my crossposts are exchanged with the Llamas.

If all you left and stopped posting in the Games room/ Members lounge I would only, since I do not visit the tipping parts of the forum and do not discuss taqctics and players, have the Whore to play quiz with and Cagiva to excahange inter Balcan glorification.

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I'm in the same boat, quizzing with the Balkan Doobie Brother and talking Liverpool with cagiva could get a little dull after a while.

   

I guess it will be like a divorce with shared custody  Mondays, Wednesdays, Friday and Sundays at new LLaMa Forum. Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays here at FM-B  :'(

[Soulfusion]

This is disappointing news. As someone who lurks regularly I thoroughly enjoy the banter within the Llama section. Perhaps the greater debate should be what is happening at FM:B? Looking from the periphery it would appear that the site is imploding. The decision to sell the one guide, the fall out with SI and now the decision to find a new home for LLM:B. Look at the forum stats tonight you are drawing 29 guests (ie lurkers) and 7 users (ie likely active posters). Where are the site(s) going if they split? Oblivion? For the Llamas where are the new members coming from? As several have stated on other threads most have come to LLM:B by searching for Tactics assistance.

Whilst the combination of a 'tipping' site with a strict Llama forum may appear at first glance to be strange bedfellows in fact there is a good synergy for both groups. By and large you both appeal to an older audience and the level of writing and posts are superior to more 'childish' sites. The LLm ethos is to play FM (without 'cheating') realistically and the efforts of WWFan (amongst others) here has helped drive SI to deliver a football simulation with realistic tactics. It is very interesting that the likes of Millie and others in the 'tipping' section enjoy FM careers that start at the lower levels of management.

Nobody is being particulary honest about the reasons behind this latest fallout. Is it the shadow of the self confessed MD from across the pond?

[Psycorp603]

Right. Best nip this one in the bud.

Just because there's no dedicated LLM section doesn't mean we're all going to desert FM-B en masse. I hope I speak for most of the LLMers when I say we like it here. And there's no reason for us not to carry on having a presence in the non-tipping areas of the forum, the same way we always have.

Just because certain other LLM groups, sites and forums adopt a Wicker Man style policy to those who aren't playing the game a specific way doesn't mean there'll be a huge shunning of a site we've all spent far too much lots of time visiting. We've never worked that way, and that's why I'm here as opposed to The Hut or SI:LLM.  I hope I'll be involved in the new site, but not to the exclusion of this place (or the other forums I visit).

As for the money thing - I know people were joking about paying for forum access, but it's a completely ridiculous point to make. If the reason for this split was due to FM-B's decision to seek a fair price for ONE OPTIONAL GUIDE, this would've happened months ago. I don't know the ins and outs of Keith's reasons, but I doubt there solely to do with one guide being sold.

This isn't a messy divorce. This is like what happens when people move out of a flat share. Sure, if you have to spend one more night living in the same house with these people and their penchant for playing horrendous Austrian Folk Music, at four in the bastard morning you'll fucking snap - but that doesn't mean you won't invite them to the pub, or ask them round for the housewarming.

If anyone disagrees with this, LLMer or non-LLMer, then you're fucking wrong.

Now stop writing FM-B's obituary, stop worrying about a messy divorce and get back to explaining to Cagiva why Rafael Benitez is a truly shite manager.

[JP]

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get back to explaining to Cagiva why Rafael B*****z is a truly shite manager.

Spuds 3-1 Inter

Piece of piss

[Psycorp603]

Job done.

[kin_lin]

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Just because there's no dedicated LLM section doesn't mean we're all going to desert FM-B en masse. I hope I speak for most of the LLMers when I say we like it here. And there's no reason for us not to carry on having a presence in the non-tipping areas of the forum, the same way we always have.

Just because certain other LLM groups, sites and forums adopt a Wicker Man style policy to those who aren't playing the game a specific way doesn't mean there'll be a huge shunning of a site we've all spent far too much lots of time visiting. We've never worked that way, and that's why I'm here as opposed to The Hut or SI:LLM.  I hope I'll be involved in the new site, but not to the exclusion of this place (or the other forums I visit).

Agreed, hence my reference to spliting my time, "shared custody" style 

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This isn't a messy divorce. This is like what happens when people move out of a flat share. Sure, if you have to spend one more night living in the same house with these people and their penchant for playing horrendous Austrian Folk Music, at four in the bastard morning you'll fucking snap - but that doesn't mean you won't invite them to the pub, or ask them round for the housewarming.

If anyone disagrees with this, LLMer or non-LLMer, then you're fucking wrong.

Agreed, I certainly don't see this as a messy divorce. Like in real life, sometimes divorces are amicable - when both partners realise they are on different paths in life and those paths are no longer going in exactly the same direction.

However, to continue the analogy, even in an amicable divorce there will inevitably be a settlement on division of the property and shared custody of the kids.  Both partners can still be on friendly terms but that does not mean that it is any easier on the kids (ie LLaMas and non-LLaMa members). The kids will still grieve for the loss of their nuclear family and 'perfect world'. Individual kids will deal with the situation in their own individual ways - some will be able to adapt and 'split' their love/affection among the two parents without major problems, some kids will choose one parent over the other, some kids will struggle to make a decision and be conflicted/confused, some will lash out at loosing their perfect world . . . we should all acknowledge this and accept that individuals deal with this type of grief in their own ways. We should try to support and be understanding with those who are conflicted and confused or lashing out. Anyway, off with the counselling hat and back on with my FM cap.

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get back to explaining to Cagiva why Rafael B*****z is a truly shite manager.

Spuds 3-1 Inter

Piece of piss

And don't forget the Atletico 2-0 Inter in the European SuperCup 

[juvehero]

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get back to explaining to Cagiva why Rafael B*****z is a truly shite manager.

Spuds 3-1 Inter

Piece of piss

Inter 0 Milan Pensioners XI 1

More pieces of piss 

[dblooder]

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get back to explaining to Cagiva why Rafael B*****z is a truly shite manager.

Spuds 3-1 Inter

Piece of piss

Inter 0 Milan Pensioners XI 1

More pieces of piss 

Give a guy some credit folks. I mean going in after Mourinho is like going in after [careful, DBlooder (Millie)].

[Dizzyarab]

Had me very worried for a bit there .! Only popped on today and was told the form was missing or off limits. If anything this move may prompt me to get more involved in FM-B. The only reason I joined was for the LLM forum, and have been living there ever since with my eyes closed to the rest of the site as I thought it was all just tipping. Looks like I've been missing out though 

As for the reason for the move, I don't really think I know enough to comment. I'm just very grateful to the work Keith and JP do in managing the LLM forum and hope they don't plan on stopping any time soon. Playing FM by myself wouldn't really feel enough after having got involved in all of this!