[The next Diaby]

If you had a look at the FAQ or the Tactical Bible Forum and could not find an answer, you should post here if you are not sure whether you may open a new topic or not.

Many people seem too shy to post a question, and most of the time if you think it may be a stupid question, it probably is not. On the other hand, there are stupid questions...

Don't be shy, ask in here.

[dblooder]

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If you had a look at the FAQ or the Tactical Bible Forum and could not find an answer, you should post here if you are not sure whether you may open a new topic or not.

Many people seem too shy to post a question, and most of the time if you think it may be a stupid question, it probably is not. On the other hand, there are stupid questions...

Don't be shy, ask in here.

There are only stupid answers...

[The next Diaby]

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There are only stupid answers...

Dblooder, are you on a wind up again? Is your warning level too low? Or are you trying to say something? If you want to hint at something that needs to be improved, then post it. If not, then don't do so. Since I already had to ask you about respecting forum rules today, you should not push it.

[dblooder]

Sorry. Did not intend to affend you, I just wanted to say that there are no stupid questions,but only stupid answers.
I made a mistake when I selected part of your topic to quote,sorry again,
Cheers

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Sorry. Did not intend to affend you, I just wanted to say that there are no stupid questions,but only stupid answers.
I made a mistake when I selected part of your topic to quote,sorry again,
Cheers

Well, same here. Indeed there are stupid answers... My apology for getting the wrong end of the stick.

[lemon]

Ok, I'll start
Passing : the slider on passing, when it says short , does it mean that the player will generally look to short passing rather than attempting long ball ?
Closing down : when it says whole pitch , it doesn't really mean that they will go around closing down the whole pitch but it is up to their position and mentality right ?

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Ok, I'll start
Passing : the slider on passing, when it says short , does it mean that the player will generally look to short passing rather than attempting long ball ?
Closing down : when it says whole pitch , it doesn't really mean that they will go around closing down the whole pitch but it is up to their position and mentality right ?

Obviously it was not stupid at all. I am still hoping someone else may try before I start to reply something long winded which certainly nobody wants to read...

[Millie]

Passing gives the player a tendency to pass short or direct. A player with short passing will always look for the short option, whereas more direct passing will make him look further afield. Of course, it won't stop him playing a short pass if the pass is "on", but it usually means that he will look for a player ahead of him to which to pass.

Throughballs, creativity, decisions etc. will also help the player decide what to do.

I find that players on shorter passing whose nearest player isn't "on" for the pass tend to do something else - i.e., dribble, hold or hoof the ball away. Players on more direct passing tend to play it more towards a player, but obviously the pass has more chance of going wayward or being intercepted.

Tempo also affects it. Quick tempos tend to play quicker (giving less time to make a decision) and tend to look for forward rather than sideways or backwards balls. This is why it tends to be better to play a quick tempo with longer passing because it makes more sense to play a quick ball forward then to play a long ball sideways. Mentality also affects how often the player will look to go forward and play it towards the attacking players.

Closing down is based on how close the player with the ball is to goal. High closing down does not mean chase the guy over the pitch, it determines whether your player will close down the opposition if the opposition player comes within the "zone" of your player. If the closing down is low, your player will sag back and avoid confronting the opposition until the player either leaves his "zone" or the player is close enough to goal to make the player decide it's time to close down. Very high closing down will mean the player will go in as soon as the opposition player comes within range.

By "zone" I obviously mean the area surrounding the player but also the area that your player tends to "patrol" when on the defence. Obviously, a left winger won't close down the opposite full back. But players on high closing down do tend to get dragged out of position as they chase a player for longer and earlier.

I hope that sort of makes sense.

[ahgong]

I did a little test on my game, for the tempo settings. i put all the instruction to the most left for all the instruction except mentality which i put to all out attack. Tempo was on the slowest. after half time. i change the tempo to quickest. i notice that the difference is, the team would go into attack formation as fast as they can on quick tempo. meaning that they will want to launch their attempt on goal faster. whereas on the slow tempo, the team will pass the ball around more often, taking their time for the attack formation to be set in place. bottomline, the difference is how fast or slow you want your players' to settle on attack.

[Millie]

[quote name='ahgong]I did a little test on my game' date=' for the tempo settings. i put all the instruction to the most left for all the instruction except mentality which i put to all out attack. Tempo was on the slowest. after half time. i change the tempo to quickest. i notice that the difference is, the team would go into attack formation as fast as they can on quick tempo. meaning that they will want to launch their attempt on goal faster. whereas on the slow tempo, the team will pass the ball around more often, taking their time for the attack formation to be set in place. bottomline, the difference is how fast or slow you want your players' to settle on attack.[/quote']
I would agree with that, certainly. It's the speed at which the team tries to get to the opposition's goal. Side effects will include very quick passing, many forward passes and runs and in part more closing down when in defence.

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[quote name='ahgong]bottomline' date=' the difference is how fast or slow you want your players' to settle on attack.[/quote']
Additionally, as garyh has used it already for FM 07 with his tempo sets, the number of through balls played directly out of the defence will increase drastically with higher tempo settings. This would be important to adjust if you want to link tempo to your attackingness and possession.

[Jimbo51]

Is there any difference between a player at position A with farrow to position B, and a player at position B with barrow to position A? There doesn't seem to be.

[ahgong]

[quote name='Jimbo51]Is there any difference between a player at position A with farrow to position B' date=' and a player at position B with barrow to position A? There doesn't seem to be.[/quote']

In the guide book, it says that forward arrows come into effect when the team has the ball ,and backwards arrows when the opposition have the ball. The side arrows means that the player will patrol the width of the field.

i use the arrows to create an offense position and defence position,in other words the shape of the team depending on who have possesion of the ball.

Well, my guess on how different the effects comes into play depend on the player's instruction. examples like forward runs, creativity and also team settings like tempo. i too would like to know if anyone can find out more on the difference. maybe a couple of test can reveal it.

[Millie]

Players who are natural MCs tend to play better at MC with a farrow than at AMC with a barrow.

I'm not sure there's positionally much difference between the two. There may be a difference in the role of the player, though. That is, a MC with a farrow may play like an MC, just further up the pitch, while an AMC with a barrow may play like an AMC, just deeper down the pitch.

That's unsubstantiated, however. You'd need to test it. I go with the assumption, most of the time, that they're the same, but try to have the player starting in his more "natural" position and have him arrowed from there.

[Jimbo51]

Thanks

[millwallrule]

Can I have sme information on semi playmakers and semi targetmen. How to set them up and do they work?

[Millie]

There's the playmaker and target men guide in the Tactical Bible for a full rundown.

However, semi-targetmen and playmakers are created by placing a player in the appropriate list (like you do for corner takers, free kick takers etc.) but not clicking the use targetman/playmaker box.

This means that although play is sometimes focussed through these players it isn't as one-dimensional as using a "full" target man, and so can be used to roughly direct play through a couple of players but not have play dictated through them.

[Dwyer]

Not sure if this is a stupid question...

I actually think that it could give us new ideas...

I looked in the Tactical Bible did not find anything linked to what i've being observing.


Well.

Playing as Boca Juniors, i Had Palermo as a tall target man, and Palacios as the fast striker...

Sudenly in mid season Palermo got a 4 month injury. Leaving me with only 4 fast strikers and closed transfer window.

I started ajusting my tactics and decided to observe this....

Made Palacio and Fischer (two fast strkers) set as TARGETMEN

I gave my wingers an OFTEN CROSS BALL to TARGET MEN from the DEEP

But in TARGET MEN SUPLY instructions, istead of crosses to the head, i had them suplied as FOWARD RUNS against slow defenders and TO FEET against fast defenders...

I Might have noted that it really made a diference. My wingers would stop the play, and place beutiful balls between oposition defenders and GK, leaving my pacy strikers a lot of runs fowards...

I have recently decided to try to cut the crosses, to observe if the team manteined this style of play... well... they didnt. The wingers would only cross the ball into the box.


So resuming....

Can Crossing be linked with Target Men Supply Instruction?

Sorry for the english, but hope u guys understand, or else i can try to explain again...

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Can Crossing be linked with Target Men Supply Instruction?

It can, absolutely spot on. These changes in style of play are indeed very important. If I recall correctly, we are having a hint on that in the target man article, stating the supply to feet is much more possession friendly than run to ball since it does have exactly a similar effect as you described and is better suited to play against deep sitting defences if you do not have strong strikers.

I am actually a little bit surprised that you did not find this information in the target man article, and it certainly should be added with the next update, if this is not clear enough.

Very good point.

[Dwyer]

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It can, absolutely spot on. These changes in style of play are indeed very important. If I recall correctly, we are having a hint on that in the target man article, stating the supply to feet is much more possession friendly than run to ball since it does have exactly a similar effect as you described and is better suited to play against deep sitting defences if you do not have strong strikers.

I am actually a little bit surprised that you did not find this information in the target man article, and it certainly should be added with the next update, if this is not clear enough.

Very good point.

I did get that part on the Target Man area,

but not specifing what I wrote here, that WINGERS instructed to CROSS TO TARGET MEN...

The more i play, the more i observe what i put out here!

cheers!