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WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
on: June 15, 2010, 08:19:03 PM �
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Algeria

Slovenia vs Algeria

Starting Formation



Player Instructions������������������������
���Pos.������������Role������Duty���
���GK������16 Faouzi CHAOUCHI������Keeper������Defend���
���DL������3 Nadir BELHADJ������Wing-back������Attack���
���DCl������5 Rafik HALLICHE������Limited Defender������Defend���
���DCr������2 Madjid BOUGHERRA������Limited Defender������Defend���
���DR������4 Anther YAHIA������Fullback������Defend���
���DMCl������8 Medhi LACEN������Anchor man������Defend���
���DMCr������19 Hassan YEBDA������Defensive midfielder������Support���
���ML������15 Karim ZIANI������Winger������Support���
���MR������13 Karim MATMOUR������Winger������Support���
���FCR������21 Foued KADIR������Deep-lying forward������Attack���
���STl������11 Rafik DJEBBOUR������Poacher������Attack���
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Team Instructions������������������������
���Philosophy������Balanced���
���Passing������More direct���
���Creative Freedom������Less freedom���
���Closing Down������Default���
���Tackling������Default���
���Marking������Default���
���Crossing������Default���
���Roaming������Default���
���Main Strategy������Balanced���
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England

USA vs England

Starting Formation



Player Instructions������������������������
���Pos.������������Role������Duty���
���GK������12. Robert Green������Keeper������Defend���
���DL������3. Ashley Cole������Fullback������Attack���
���DCl������6. John Terry������Defender������Defend���
���DCr������20. Ledley King������Defender������Defend���
���DR������2. Glen Johnson������Fullback������Attack���
���MCl������8. Frank Lampard������Central Midfielder������Support���
���MCr������4. Steven Gerrard������Central Midfielder������Support���
���ML������16. James Milner/ Wright-Phillips������Winger������Support���
���MR������07. Aaron Lennon������Inside Forward������Attack���
���FCl������10. Wayne Rooney������Advanced Forward������Attack���
���STr������21. Emile Heskey������Target Man������Support���
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Team Instructions������������������������
���Philosophy������Rigid���
���Passing������Default���
���Creative Freedom������Default���
���Closing Down������Default���
���Tackling������Default���
���Marking������Default���
���Crossing������Default���
���Roaming������Default���
���Main Strategy������Standard���



Slovenia

Algeria vs Slovenia

Starting Formation



Player Instructions������������������������
���Pos.������������Role������Duty���
���GK������1 Samir HANDANOVIC������Keeper������Defend���
���DL������13 Bojan JOKIC������Fullback������Support���
���DCl������4 Marko SULER������Limited Defender������Defend���
���DCr������5 Bostjan CESAR������Limited Defender������Defend���
���DR������2 Miso BRECKO������Fullback������Support���
���MCl������8 Robert KOREN������Central Midfielder������Support���
���DMCr������18 Aleksandar RADOSAVLJEVIC������Defensive midfielder������Defend���
���ML������17 Andraz KIRM������Wide midfielder������Support���
���MR������10 Valter BIRSA������Winger������Support���
���FCR������14 Zlatko DEDIC������Deep-lying forward������Attack���
���STl������11 Milivoje NOVAKOVIC������Target man������Attack���
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Team Instructions������������������������
���Philosophy������Very rigid���
���Passing������Default���
���Creative Freedom������Less freedom���
���Closing Down������Default���
���Tackling������Default���
���Marking������Man���
���Crossing������Float���
���Roaming������Default���
���Main Strategy������Defend���
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USA

England vs USA

Starting Formation



Player Instructions������������������������
���Pos.������������Role������Duty���
���GK������1 Tim HOWARD������Keeper������Defend���
���DL������3 Carlos BOCANEGRA������Fullback������Support���
���DCl������15 Jay DeMERIT������Limited Defender������Defend���
���DCr������5 Oguchi ONYEWU������Limited Defender������Defend���
���DR������6 Steve CHERUNDOLO������Fullback������Support���
���DMCl������13 Ricardo CLARK������Defensive midfielder������Defend���
���DMCr������4 Michael BRADLEY������Defensive midfielder������Support���
���ML������8 Clint DEMPSEY������Winger������Attack���
���MR������10 Landon DONOVAN������Winger������Attack���
���FCl������20 Robbie FINDLEY������Deep-lying Forward������Attack���
���STr������Jozy Altidore������Poacher������Attack���
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Team Instructions������������������������
���Philosophy������Rigid���
���Passing������Direct���
���Creative Freedom������Less Freedom���
���Closing Down������Default���
���Tackling������Default���
���Marking������Default���
���Crossing������Default���
���Roaming������Default���
���Main Strategy������Counter���
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 11:36:40 PM �
I've just blogged a little about the USA formation, as it is the one I'm currently using as my tactic of choice in FM2010.

http://www.colinharris.net/blogs/index.php/fabio-4-2-2-2-tactic-fm2010, scroll down a little as I prat on about stuff first.� Tactic download set included.

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #2 on: June 16, 2010, 01:23:18 PM �
levo, millie and cagiva keep up the good work!!
Last Edit: June 16, 2010, 08:00:29 PM by rednwhitearmy

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 02:25:53 PM �
levo and millie keep up the good work!!


Thanks,

Alot of credit has to go to Cagiva as well who has been working hard to feed us with information.
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #4 on: June 16, 2010, 08:01:18 PM �
levo and millie keep up the good work!!


Thanks,

Alot of credit has to go to Cagiva as well who has been working hard to feed us with information.


sorry about that credit to cagiva too, will you be doing the germans? i would like too see how they lined up since i never got to see how they hammered the aussies
Last Edit: June 16, 2010, 08:09:22 PM by rednwhitearmy

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 03:39:57 AM �
As an American, I would like to add my own opinion of the USA setup.

The Right Back (CHERUNDOLO) is more usually adventurous. Perhaps placing the Left Back on Auto or Defend works better to contrast this without exposing the right.

I don't like the Winger role for DONOVAN and DEMPSEY. Advanced Playmaker might suit both a little more (as per the guide saying that role as a cross between Winger and Inside Forward). These guys really are the only highly creative outlets on the team, and I feel Winger doesn't do them justice for contrasting effect.

Also don't know how I feel about FINDLEY given attack duties. But Support doesn't seem to fit either.

Most of the Instructions seem to be accurate. The Default ones are the only ones that different players would need different things for.

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #6 on: June 17, 2010, 09:12:54 AM �
1) About Cherundolo - in that match both fullbacks doesn't venture forward often. They sat back,looking to neutralise the England's wingers/wide-players. In certain situation they did have the opportunity to go forward but didn't to that as pure attacking fullback/wing-back - just bacause they didn't want to go one-on-one with the England's players. They go forward without the ball,but very cautiously and thinking about not to leave their zone empty.

2) About both Wingers - yes,that's true. Both of them are the most creative USA players. But to replicate their behaviour in this match we should instruct them as "wingers". They both run with the ball,pass the ball and cross the ball. They rarely cut inside with the ball,but move inside off the ball alot. And if we instruct them as "wingers" they will do that and will have the movement freedom to roam around their starting placemenet.

3) About Findley - he is DLP,with attack duty. That's because he was the deeper of the two ,but wasn't the playmaking forward ( as example Robbie Keane ). He was the deeper but was more attacking-oriented.

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 05:48:12 PM �
I thought that Milner/SWP would be considered the Inside Forward, and Lennon the winger. On the left, SWP tended to attempt to cut inside a lot and I thought that the lack of width on the left was a problem - especially with Cole being unable to be adventurous.

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 06:06:19 PM �
Milner was defensive oriented through the first half. He rarely,if not never,attempt a run with the ball or offensive off the ball movement.

During second half SWP tended to cut inside just because his strong foot is the right one. So it's more than logical that he will use that foot,not the left. But his overall style of play doesn't suit the tag "inside forward". He was more like "inside dribbler and crosser"� type of play - tending to recieve the ball on the touchline,then just make a run with it and attemp crossing. It was just once that he attempt a more adcanced run with the ball/off the ball movement but his shoot was terrible. He rarely look like Messi or C.Ronaldo or others pure "inside forwards".

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #9 on: June 18, 2010, 08:23:29 PM �
Do England even produce Inside Forwards?

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #10 on: June 18, 2010, 09:01:12 PM �
No, but I think that it is the best role that we have in the tactical creator that matches his role. The movement that he keeps cutting inside and attacking the goal instead of trying to play it out wide and putting crosses in means it is hard to see him as a winger. Hopefully we will see some more roles in FM 2011 that will match his actual role as an inside out winger.
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #11 on: June 18, 2010, 09:10:49 PM �
No, but I think that it is the best role that we have in the tactical creator that matches his role. The movement that he keeps cutting inside and attacking the goal instead of trying to play it out wide and putting crosses in means it is hard to see him as a winger. Hopefully we will see some more roles in FM 2011 that will match his actual role as an inside out winger.


Yeah seems fair.

Though I was having a sly dig at the fact that the country where Thierry Henry and Cristiano Ronaldo made their careers has managed to conspire to produce Gerrard, SWP, Milner and Lennon as their key widemen.

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #12 on: June 18, 2010, 10:11:43 PM �
Yeah I understand that to be an inside forward you need incredible intelligence and vision, and just cutting inside doesn't mean you play in that role. But a winger is not what he was either. Inside forward fits better than winger, I thought - but then again, I'm wrong a lot

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #13 on: June 21, 2010, 07:53:45 PM �
1) About Cherundolo - in that match both fullbacks doesn't venture forward often. They sat back,looking to neutralise the England's wingers/wide-players. In certain situation they did have the opportunity to go forward but didn't to that as pure attacking fullback/wing-back - just bacause they didn't want to go one-on-one with the England's players. They go forward without the ball,but very cautiously and thinking about not to leave their zone empty.


Wouldn't that make his duty more automatic, though? Against England - where the team was trying to play a more controlled/counterattacking game - he stayed back, but many times over the past few friendlies he's played exactly as Xulu says.

I would tend to agree with Xulu on one of the two outside mids playing more advanced as well; however, I think that both of these things didn't show up in the England game because Bradley had the whole team set up more cautiously. Dempsey is usually a an inside forward on the outside left, while Donovan is an advanced playmaker on the right (they'll occasionally switch sides, but it's usually something along those lines).

As far as Findley goes, I'm not sure that the DLF role is most accurate. FM needs to create a "Clueless Striker" role for players like him.�

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group C (Algeria, England, Slovenia, USA)
Reply #14 on: June 21, 2010, 08:08:46 PM �
1) About Cherundolo - in that match both fullbacks doesn't venture forward often. They sat back,looking to neutralise the England's wingers/wide-players. In certain situation they did have the opportunity to go forward but didn't to that as pure attacking fullback/wing-back - just bacause they didn't want to go one-on-one with the England's players. They go forward without the ball,but very cautiously and thinking about not to leave their zone empty.


Wouldn't that make his duty more automatic, though? Against England - where the team was trying to play a more controlled/counterattacking game - he stayed back, but many times over the past few friendlies he's played exactly as Xulu says.

We're interested in how players played in specific games for this one. That's why we've included the "main strategy" in the team instructions whereas in the general tactics threads we haven't. "Automatic" isn't a duty we'll be using in these reports because it doesn't describe particularly well the shape and behaviour of the team in specific situations.