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Levo

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Argentina

Nigeria vs Argentina

Starting Formation



Player Instructions                        
   Pos.            Role      Duty   
   GK      22 Sergio ROMERO      Keeper      Defend   
   DL      6 Gabriel HEINZE      Fullback      Support   
   DCl      13 Walter SAMUEL      Limited Defender      Defend   
   DCr      2 Martin DEMICHELIS      Central defender      Defend   
   DR      17 Jonas GUTIERREZ      Fullback      Attack   
   DMCl      14 Javier MASCHERANO      Defensive midfielder      Defend   
   MCr      8 Juan VERON      Deep-lying playmaker      Support   
   ML      7 Angel DI MARIA      Winger      Support   
   AMC      10 Lionel MESSI      Trequartista      Attack   
   FCR      11 Carlos TEVEZ      Complete forward      Support   
   STl      9 Gonzalo HIGUAIN      Poacher      Attack   
                        
Team Instructions                        
   Philosophy      Fluid   
   Passing      Default   
   Creative Freedom      Default   
   Closing Down      Default   
   Tackling      Default   
   Marking      Default   
   Crossing      Default   
   Roaming      More roaming   
   Main Strategy      Attacking   



Greece

South Korea vs Greece

Starting Formation


      

Player Instructions                        
   Pos.            Role      Duty   
   GK      12 Alexandros TZORVAS      Keeper      Defend   
   DL      15 Vasileios TOROSIDIS      Fullback      Attack   
   DCl      8 Avraam PAPADOPOULOS      Limited defender      Defend   
   DCr      11 Loukas VYNTRA      Limited defender      Defend   
   DR      2 Giourkas SEITARIDIS      Fullback      Attack   
   DMC      21 Konstantinos KATSOURANIS      Defensive midfielder      Defend   
   MCl      6 Alexandros TZIOLIS      Ball-winning Midfielder      Support   
   MCr      10 Georgios KARAGOUNIS      Advanced playmaker      Support   
   AMR/FR      9 Angelos CHARISTEAS      Inside Forward      Attack   
   AML      7 Georgios SAMARAS      Inside Forward      Support   
   ST      17 Theofanis GEKAS      Poacher      Attack   
                        
Team Instructions                        
   Philosophy      Rigid   
   Passing      Default   
   Creative Freedom      Less Freedom   
   Closing Down      Default   
   Tackling      Normal   
   Marking      Man   
   Crossing      Float   
   Roaming      Default   
   Main Strategy      Control   
            





Nigeria

Argentina vs Nigeria

Starting Formation



Player Instructions                        
   Pos.            Role      Duty   
   GK      1 Vincent ENYEAMA      Keeper      Defend   
   DL      3 Taye TAIWO      Fullback      Attack   
   DCl      6 Danny SHITTU      Limited Defender      Defend   
   DCr      2 Joseph YOBO      Limited Defender      Defend   
   DR      17 Chidi ODIAH      Fullback      Attack   
   DMCl      20 Dickson ETUHU      Defensive midfielder      Defend   
   DMCr      15 Lukman HARUNA      Defensive midfielder      Support   
   ML      19 Chinedu OGBUKE OBASI      Winger      Attack   
   MR      14 Sani KAITA      Wide midfielder      Support   
   FCR      18 Victor OBINNA      Deep-lying forward      Attack   
   STl      8 Yakubu AYEGBENI      Poacher      Attack   
                        
Team Instructions                        
   Philosophy      Rigid   
   Passing      More direct   
   Creative Freedom      Less freedom   
   Closing Down      Default   
   Tackling      Default   
   Marking      Default   
   Crossing      Default   
   Roaming      Ddefault   
   Main Strategy      Counter   
            

South Korea

Greece vs South Korea

Starting Formation



Player Instructions                        
   Pos.            Role      Duty   
   GK      18 JUNG Sung Ryong      Keeper      Defend   
   DL      12 LEE Young Pyo      Fullback      Support   
   DCl      4 CHO Yong Hyung      Limited defender      Defend   
   DCr      14 LEE Jung Soo      Limited defender      Defend   
   DR      22 CHA Du Ri      Wing Back      Support   
   DMCl      8 KIM Jung Woo      Defensive midfielder      Support   
   MCr      16 KI Sung Yueng      Ball-winning Midfielder      Support   
   ML      7 PARK Ji Sung      Winger      Attack   
   MR      17 LEE Chung Yong      Winger      Attack   
   FCl      19 YEOM Ki Hun      Deep-lying Forward      Support   
   STr      10 PARK Chu Young      Advanced Forward      Attack   
                        
Team Instructions                        
   Philosophy      Rigid   
   Passing      More direct   
   Creative Freedom      Less Freedom   
   Closing Down      Default   
   Tackling      Normal   
   Marking      Man   
   Crossing      Default   
   Roaming      More direct   
   Main Strategy      Counter   
            

« Last Edit: June 17, 2010, 10:24:14 AM by Levo »
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group B (Argentina, Greece, Nigeria, South Korea)
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 01:30:20 AM »
I'm starting to notice this "diamond" + striker + winger shape popping up all over the place now. Barcelona have used it, Manchester United have used it, Porto used it after Arsenal thrashed them, Brazil are very much expected to use it, Chelsea sort-of used it at times, and you could argue Mourinho very nearly used it in the European Cup Final. Now Maradona has decided to give it a whirl it is yet another stamp of approval for this shape.

Now obviously none of the afore-mentioned sides have played it exactly the same way as each other, nor even played it exactly the same way from match to match, but they have all taken to the field with it. It's starting to look like there is a new tactical big deal emerging at the top end of football.

From what I have seen there seems to be a few common denominators. A main striker that likes to pull wide and move around, and a genuine winger/inside forward that seems designed to link up almost specifically with the main striker. There is the much more intelligent TQ/AMC that likes to get forward and wide and deep, in effect the second winger/inside forward, the smarter of the two pulled into a more central position. There is the invariably deep wide midfielder and the key, main attacking fullback.

However in many of the matches I have watched and/or read about the common theme seems to be that the true deep playmaker somehow manages to play completely unmarked even in the biggest of games, despite being the man that everyone raves about and fears. Veron, Scholes, Xavi for Argentina, Manchester United and Barcelona respectively have each controlled and dictated big games from oceans of space. You could argue a case for Lampard perhaps with his rediculous goal tally from similar positions in similar a shape, though he is not the same type of player.

This last point for me is pretty astonishing. In the era of 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-2-3 or whatever you wish to call a particular formation, you would expect the deepest midfield to find space Pirlo style, or maybe a Lampard or Gerrard to find space through runs from deep and all-action performances, or indeed through a particluarly nifty pass-and-move combo playing off someone like Iniesta but certainly not your Scholes/Veron/Xavi types constantly sitting in space dictating the game in advance of deeper midfielders. But if you look carefully at the shape of this formation and the movement of the players within it, that seems to be precisely what this shape is designed to do.

I might have it all wrong mind you, but this shape certainly seems to be worthy of a lot of attention,

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group B (Argentina, Greece, Nigeria, South Korea)
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2010, 07:55:10 AM »
It looks like we've arrived to the point where teams generally don't want 2 out and out strikers, but they want to retain that really threatening offense. Also, tactically, by playing 1 striker, you generally get an addition in the midfield which definitely helps with keeping possession and pressurizing, which seems to be the name of the game for many top flight teams.

It also seems that nowadays, the importance of having versatile players is crucial to the cohesion of any modern formation.

This formation seems to rely on 3 major points. The full back that pretty much plays as an attacking wingback, the inside forward and the likes of players playing the Xavi Role. Each of them find themselves in space when their team is in possession and causing a never ending threat.

If a team can nutralise these components and exploit the attacking fullback, as Nigeria did and nearly succeeded in the second half against Argentina, then they certainly can grab themselves a win, unfortunately doing so generally leaves the Classic N10 all alone in the middle of the park where a few good through ball can put the game to rest.

(p.s. Veron was largely dissappointing against Nigeria and gave away the simplest of passes, so I'm beginning to question his ability slightly)
« Last Edit: June 15, 2010, 08:05:30 AM by Novox »

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group B (Argentina, Greece, Nigeria, South Korea)
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 06:31:24 PM »
I was wondering what do you think about today's Argentina lineup and tactics, i thought it was something like this:

Team Instructions                       
   Philosophy       balanced   
   Passing       Default   
   Creative Freedom       More Expressive   
   Closing Down       Default\ Press More   
   Tackling       Default   
   Marking       Default   
   Crossing       Default   
   Roaming       More roaming   
   Main Strategy       Attacking   

GK - Keeper- Defend (romero)
DR\L - Full Back- Auto (gutierrez/heinze)
Dclr - Central Defender- Defend (demichelis/burdisso)
DM - Defensive Midfielder- Defend (masche)
MR- Wide Midfielder - Support (maxi)
ML - Winger - Attack (DI maria)
AM - Trequartista/Advanced PlayMaker- Attack (messi)
STr - Poacher - Attack (higuain)
Stl - Deep-laying Forward - Attack/Support (tevez)

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group B (Argentina, Greece, Nigeria, South Korea)
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 12:55:40 AM »
I was wondering what do you think about today's Argentina lineup and tactics, i thought it was something like this:

Team Instructions                       
   Philosophy       balanced   
   Passing       Default   
   Creative Freedom       More Expressive   
   Closing Down       Default\ Press More   
   Tackling       Default   
   Marking       Default   
   Crossing       Default   
   Roaming       More roaming   
   Main Strategy       Attacking   

GK - Keeper- Defend (romero)
DR\L - Full Back- Auto (gutierrez/heinze)
Dclr - Central Defender- Defend (demichelis/burdisso)
DM - Defensive Midfielder- Defend (masche)
MR- Wide Midfielder - Support (maxi)
ML - Winger - Attack (DI maria)
AM - Trequartista/Advanced PlayMaker- Attack (messi)
STr - Poacher - Attack (higuain)
Stl - Deep-laying Forward - Attack/Support (tevez)


Looking at the players i would tend to think the Diego plays a 2-4-4 as the DL/DR are actually wingers (Heinze started his career as a winger)and also the goal they conceded plus other chances Korea had shows that Argentina would be easily exposed by a better team. Going forward immense but in defence woeful and better teams will see this. Remember he took 6 strikers and only 2 midfieldersof which one is Veron 35 years old.

For me quarter finals at best due to gaps at the back and in the middle but nice to watch attacking though

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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group B (Argentina, Greece, Nigeria, South Korea)
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 09:41:16 AM »
I think that Henize and Guiterrez are meant to be playing as attacking full backs, they play similar roles to Cole and Johnson with the wingers coming more central they have room to get forward. They are attacking minded by nature and Henize actually has been playing pretty well defensively, although it must be said he hasn't be really tested yet and looks a bit tired in the legs and that may have an affect on his ability to play as an attacking full back.

Guiterrez looks the weak point he is not suited to play as a DR, it isn't that he is playing as a wingback he just can't play as a full back, constantly caught out of position, doesn't look comfortable, comes to central and too far forward far too often.
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Re: WORLD CUP 2010: Group B (Argentina, Greece, Nigeria, South Korea)
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2010, 01:11:47 PM »
Maradonna is a genius.


Well, tactically, I think he is very weak (which is normal considering his entire playing career consisted of "get me the ball and ill run over there and score"). But the way he acts, dresses, talks,... shifts all the focus on him, relieving his players of pressure.

Of course, I could be very wrong here.